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		<title>Comment on To the people I care about the most&#8230;.the students of Reach 1 Ministries by Matthew Manley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Manley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s beautiful, marty. I&#039;m with you every step of the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s beautiful, marty. I&#8217;m with you every step of the way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Most Offensive Blog Post I May Ever Write? by @revtrev</title>
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		<dc:creator>@revtrev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I often wonder if I was to accidently walk in on a lady changing and she had more clothes on in the change room then when I see her in a waterpark - why would she be embarrassed? It&#039;s time those in the church start asking the questions you pose.  PS. I&#039;ve linked your site on mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often wonder if I was to accidently walk in on a lady changing and she had more clothes on in the change room then when I see her in a waterpark &#8211; why would she be embarrassed? It&#8217;s time those in the church start asking the questions you pose.  PS. I&#8217;ve linked your site on mine.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where&#8217;s Your Fruit? by Timotheus</title>
		<link>http://martimusprime.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/wheres-your-fruit/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>Timotheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truly, by our fruits we are known....
Good read, Marty---thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truly, by our fruits we are known&#8230;.<br />
Good read, Marty&#8212;thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where&#8217;s Your Fruit? by jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a whole book could be written on this alone: &quot;it’s dangerous to assume that fruit shown only at church is indication that we are faithful believers. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a whole book could be written on this alone: &#8220;it’s dangerous to assume that fruit shown only at church is indication that we are faithful believers. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where&#8217;s Your Fruit? by Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being fruitful is a everyday thing, not just for Sunday or church.  I have a chance to talk about God more out of church then in and share with some who will never come in a church.  Plus, I get to share one-on-one with others and that is special time for me.  We show are fruit everyday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being fruitful is a everyday thing, not just for Sunday or church.  I have a chance to talk about God more out of church then in and share with some who will never come in a church.  Plus, I get to share one-on-one with others and that is special time for me.  We show are fruit everyday!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Most Offensive Blog Post I May Ever Write? by Erin</title>
		<link>http://martimusprime.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/the-most-offensive-blog-post-i-may-ever-write/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay so Marty&#039;s my husband and while I agree with him on most things, some things we hotly disagree on.  This however is one of those cases where he and I are on the same page.

Emily, I agree that we cannot be held responsible for every action a person makes, that they do have some personal responsibility.  For some of the examples you gave I would say a person struggling with gluttony, you don&#039;t invite them to an all you can eat food bar, but that you go somewhere that healthy eating habits can be made and so forth.

On this issue, the bikini issue, we as women know that men are visual.  Our youth cannot say they don&#039;t know this, it&#039;s an issue we have discussed on many occasions.  And as women, you cannot say that you buy a bikini to wear in public for any other reason than to draw attention to yourself.  Whether it&#039;s right or wrong (that it does draw attention) is beyond the point, you know it&#039;s going to.  And as Christian women we are called to encourage our brothers, Jesus even says that if we cause a child to stumble that it is better for a millstone to be tied to our neck and be dropped in the ocean.  Is it a big responsibility for women to think about their brothers in Christ and purposefully avoid adding to temptations, yes, but I think it is a responsibility that we are called to.  And really it&#039;s not just bikinis, it&#039;s all clothing, I think this is the point Marty is trying to make.  We are called as Women of God to be set apart, to be in the world but not like it.  And when we&#039;re showing all our &quot;goods&quot; for everyone to see, we look just like the world we are called to be  a witness to.

Weight Problem, you&#039;re right about the cultural differences, in Africa women do show their upper bodies, but they keep their knees covered because that is what men there find attractive.  But I think you&#039;re wrong on the other issues.  Just because something is socially/culturally acceptable doesn&#039;t make it right.  Again we are called to be set apart, not like the world.

Modest is hottest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay so Marty&#8217;s my husband and while I agree with him on most things, some things we hotly disagree on.  This however is one of those cases where he and I are on the same page.</p>
<p>Emily, I agree that we cannot be held responsible for every action a person makes, that they do have some personal responsibility.  For some of the examples you gave I would say a person struggling with gluttony, you don&#8217;t invite them to an all you can eat food bar, but that you go somewhere that healthy eating habits can be made and so forth.</p>
<p>On this issue, the bikini issue, we as women know that men are visual.  Our youth cannot say they don&#8217;t know this, it&#8217;s an issue we have discussed on many occasions.  And as women, you cannot say that you buy a bikini to wear in public for any other reason than to draw attention to yourself.  Whether it&#8217;s right or wrong (that it does draw attention) is beyond the point, you know it&#8217;s going to.  And as Christian women we are called to encourage our brothers, Jesus even says that if we cause a child to stumble that it is better for a millstone to be tied to our neck and be dropped in the ocean.  Is it a big responsibility for women to think about their brothers in Christ and purposefully avoid adding to temptations, yes, but I think it is a responsibility that we are called to.  And really it&#8217;s not just bikinis, it&#8217;s all clothing, I think this is the point Marty is trying to make.  We are called as Women of God to be set apart, to be in the world but not like it.  And when we&#8217;re showing all our &#8220;goods&#8221; for everyone to see, we look just like the world we are called to be  a witness to.</p>
<p>Weight Problem, you&#8217;re right about the cultural differences, in Africa women do show their upper bodies, but they keep their knees covered because that is what men there find attractive.  But I think you&#8217;re wrong on the other issues.  Just because something is socially/culturally acceptable doesn&#8217;t make it right.  Again we are called to be set apart, not like the world.</p>
<p>Modest is hottest.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Most Offensive Blog Post I May Ever Write? by Weight Problem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weight Problem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you don&#039;t need to be adding more burdens to the weight a Christian woman already carries.  If a woman isn&#039;t convicted about wearing a bikini to the beach, then leave her alone.  
Many Christian women go out of their way to be modest and even invisible to other men.  We watch what we wear, we avoid smiles and hugs, we dodge eye contact, and the list goes on.  But when we go to the beach, we breathe a sigh of relief because temporarily we don&#039;t need to worry about hiding; everybody&#039;s showing skin and nobody seems to care.  
I think that today it&#039;s normal for women to wear two piece bathing suits when swimming, regardless of age or body-type. No one stands out in a bikini, because everyone is wearing one. Just like certain African tribes don&#039;t think twice of women walking around topless; it&#039;s normal.  And then there&#039;s biblical times: we don&#039;t think anything of women having their head uncovered anymore, because it&#039;s normal. And what about Victorian times.  Back then, the exposure of an ankle was scandalous and women would rather suffer a broken leg then expose it to a doctor.  The point is, whatever you&#039;re exposed to becomes normal and loses it&#039;s shock value, and even it&#039;s appeal.  
Honestly, if a bikini bothers you then you probably shouldn&#039;t be at a beach at all because there&#039;s plenty of skin to be seen regardless of the suit choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you don&#8217;t need to be adding more burdens to the weight a Christian woman already carries.  If a woman isn&#8217;t convicted about wearing a bikini to the beach, then leave her alone.<br />
Many Christian women go out of their way to be modest and even invisible to other men.  We watch what we wear, we avoid smiles and hugs, we dodge eye contact, and the list goes on.  But when we go to the beach, we breathe a sigh of relief because temporarily we don&#8217;t need to worry about hiding; everybody&#8217;s showing skin and nobody seems to care.<br />
I think that today it&#8217;s normal for women to wear two piece bathing suits when swimming, regardless of age or body-type. No one stands out in a bikini, because everyone is wearing one. Just like certain African tribes don&#8217;t think twice of women walking around topless; it&#8217;s normal.  And then there&#8217;s biblical times: we don&#8217;t think anything of women having their head uncovered anymore, because it&#8217;s normal. And what about Victorian times.  Back then, the exposure of an ankle was scandalous and women would rather suffer a broken leg then expose it to a doctor.  The point is, whatever you&#8217;re exposed to becomes normal and loses it&#8217;s shock value, and even it&#8217;s appeal.<br />
Honestly, if a bikini bothers you then you probably shouldn&#8217;t be at a beach at all because there&#8217;s plenty of skin to be seen regardless of the suit choice.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Most Offensive Blog Post I May Ever Write? by Emily</title>
		<link>http://martimusprime.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/the-most-offensive-blog-post-i-may-ever-write/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, have you read Pastor Ryan? You&#039;d like him. His post from today was particularly good as well.

http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/09/unstatisfied-with-discontent.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, have you read Pastor Ryan? You&#8217;d like him. His post from today was particularly good as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/09/unstatisfied-with-discontent.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thisisreverb.com/2009/09/unstatisfied-with-discontent.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Most Offensive Blog Post I May Ever Write? by Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, Gina. That was long. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, Gina. That was long. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Most Offensive Blog Post I May Ever Write? by Emily</title>
		<link>http://martimusprime.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/the-most-offensive-blog-post-i-may-ever-write/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not offended, I&#039;m unoffendable.

However, while I agree with you that our job as Christians is to be light for the world and lead by example or whatever, it can become a crippling task to constantly worry about how what you say and do (and wear) and how it will strike others.

For instance, what if my office mate&#039;s worst battle is fought with addiction to the Internet? Do I stay off the Internet all day, even though there&#039;s nothing wrong with it?

Or what if Joe J&#039;s struggle is with laziness and sloth? Do I work all day, every day, with no break time whatsoever, so that he does not see me resting for a moment, follow my lead, and subsequently abuse the privilege?

Say Jane Schmane&#039;s conflict arises with food - gluttony. Do I avoid her while I eat? What if I really like her?

What about someone who struggles with a filthy mouth and knowing where to draw the line? Should Derek Webb clean up his lyrics, even though they move and touch people in ways they&#039;ve never experienced?

One&#039;s struggle is with music? Should I stop listening to Michael Jackson because he might inspire wayward thoughts in...someone?

What if I struggle with not respecting the powers that tell me I have to dress business casual everyday. Should you have to wear a suit and tie to show me the way?

All I&#039;m saying is, while yes, as Christians it&#039;s our job to lead the way  - there&#039;s no way we can accommodate all man&#039;s sins. That&#039;s why no one is perfect. It is our job to lead simple, modest, and sincere lives as straightforwardly as we are able.

As for the bikinis? While you won&#039;t see me in one anytime soon, I think there&#039;s a right way and a wrong way to go about it. Some bikinis are about as revealing as my socks, while some non-bikinis are about as covering as a pair of flip-flops. The testing line, I think, is does it meet your standards of decency when you put it on? If I&#039;m walking around worrying about my bits falling out, it&#039;s probably not something I should be wearing.

I can either worry about making sure I don&#039;t bother anyone - and fail - or I can live my life as a Christian to the best of my ability. If I do that, I think I can be as blameless as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not offended, I&#8217;m unoffendable.</p>
<p>However, while I agree with you that our job as Christians is to be light for the world and lead by example or whatever, it can become a crippling task to constantly worry about how what you say and do (and wear) and how it will strike others.</p>
<p>For instance, what if my office mate&#8217;s worst battle is fought with addiction to the Internet? Do I stay off the Internet all day, even though there&#8217;s nothing wrong with it?</p>
<p>Or what if Joe J&#8217;s struggle is with laziness and sloth? Do I work all day, every day, with no break time whatsoever, so that he does not see me resting for a moment, follow my lead, and subsequently abuse the privilege?</p>
<p>Say Jane Schmane&#8217;s conflict arises with food &#8211; gluttony. Do I avoid her while I eat? What if I really like her?</p>
<p>What about someone who struggles with a filthy mouth and knowing where to draw the line? Should Derek Webb clean up his lyrics, even though they move and touch people in ways they&#8217;ve never experienced?</p>
<p>One&#8217;s struggle is with music? Should I stop listening to Michael Jackson because he might inspire wayward thoughts in&#8230;someone?</p>
<p>What if I struggle with not respecting the powers that tell me I have to dress business casual everyday. Should you have to wear a suit and tie to show me the way?</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is, while yes, as Christians it&#8217;s our job to lead the way  &#8211; there&#8217;s no way we can accommodate all man&#8217;s sins. That&#8217;s why no one is perfect. It is our job to lead simple, modest, and sincere lives as straightforwardly as we are able.</p>
<p>As for the bikinis? While you won&#8217;t see me in one anytime soon, I think there&#8217;s a right way and a wrong way to go about it. Some bikinis are about as revealing as my socks, while some non-bikinis are about as covering as a pair of flip-flops. The testing line, I think, is does it meet your standards of decency when you put it on? If I&#8217;m walking around worrying about my bits falling out, it&#8217;s probably not something I should be wearing.</p>
<p>I can either worry about making sure I don&#8217;t bother anyone &#8211; and fail &#8211; or I can live my life as a Christian to the best of my ability. If I do that, I think I can be as blameless as possible.</p>
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